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 Wednesday, May 23, 2007
As I wade through the massive quantity of things that a MOSS 2007 installation seems to think that you need to do before you can actually start using the darn thing (and wishing I was back in relatively simple WSS-land until I realise that I actually like challenges [my chess "career" was laden with me getting into terrible positions and then waking up and fiddling my way out of them - until that is I reached the heights of the Hungarian Premier League (board 5 for the two of you who care) when that wasn't quite good enough].

Well in MOSS there are challenges enough to keep anyone busy reading up stuff before daring to proceed (although "configuring" workflow was a simple matter of accepting all the defaults and pressing OK - even I could manage that, although the subsequent editing of the item to mark it "Completed" was something new as I'd just deleted them before [Oops!]) however [finally reaching the point ...] Microsoft haven't made is as straightforward as they could.

I've noticed before (but now I have a very clear case where this applies) that the order they say you should do the Administrator Tasks in is odd to say the least.

Anyway here's a crass example:

I'm looking at a list headed with Incoming E-Mail Settings (Order 2) and followed by Outgoing E-Mail Settings (Order 3), so Microsoft expect you to first set the incoming E-mail settings and then the outgoing e-mail settings?

It certainly seems logical that you should do Step 1 before Step 2. But not in Redmond it would seem where they presumably walk around all day with umbrellas up when it's not raining rather than following the rest of the world's Step 1: wait for rain; Step 2: put up umbrella.

Anyway. Follow the Redmond order and see where it gets you ...

Try to do Incoming E-Mail Settings. Oh look. "The SMTP service is not installed"

and where do you install it ?

in Order 3 of course (Outgoing E-Mail Settings)

At least that's what it seems like to me as Outgoing E-Mail Settings is asking me for the Outbound SMTP server and anyway if Order 2 required the SMTP Service to be installed shouldn't that have been listed as Order 1 ?

P.S. Down in the list at Order 5 is "Central Administration application pool account should be unique." Now they tell me! So I went to the page they suggest and I find I have three application pools (:80; for MySites; for a Publishing Site) and it doesn't indicate which of those is being used for Central Admin. I suspect :80 even if I don't really understand why it let me do this at all. Surely it would be a simple check "can't use this, it's being used for Central Admin" or vice versa "You can't use this, you must use a new one for Central Admin" depending on which came first. Now as the names of all those Application pools reflect the ports they use, I want to create a new one for Central Admin use to reflect its use, and I bet that's going to be impossible. Just it seems as impossible as finding where I can create a new Application Pool at all. Search, Mike, search! You like challenges, remember.
5/23/2007 12:09:16 PM (FLE Daylight Time, UTC+03:00)  #    Comments [3]   Other Computer | SharePoint  | 
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5/24/2007 1:44:23 PM (FLE Daylight Time, UTC+03:00)
Have you checked out any books? That was the turning point in my comprehension of installation procedures. The planning guide from Microsoft is also very instrumental for certain aspects, though you don't have to do all of it (that'd take a committee). I researched for a solid month on installation and still had to restore images twice for the two farms I set up to get it exactly how I wanted straight from a clean install.

Book I recommend (great section on app pool planning, too): http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-SharePoint-Administrators-Companion/dp/0735622825

Planning guide:
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office/en-us/library/59785dd2-e52e-48f1-9ac0-1d61e6d63c601033.mspx?mfr=true

Good luck! It's a beast of a system.
5/24/2007 4:36:02 PM (FLE Daylight Time, UTC+03:00)
Thanks for the comment. I have both the "Mindsharp" books - that is the Developers Guide to WSS 3.0 by Tod Bleeker (first out so I had to buy it!) and thanks to work (as a copy I was promised hasn't yet arrived - and without that promise I would have bought it when it first came out) a copy of the Administrator's Companion by (among others) Bill English (it wasn't him who promised) that I am working through (and hunting through) at the same time that I am doing these installation steps.

At the moment I get the impression that most of the people who wrote the chapters of the book always did things the right (? - maybe "expected" is a better word) way and thus because they aren't doing the stupid things I'm doing there's is no reference in the book to the problems (or even non-problems but oddities) I am coming up with.

For instance after trying to specify an Application Pool that it wouldn't let me use, suddenly Kerberos was the default value specified for creating a web application (and the suggested description still contained the previously suggested port number not the new one). That I haven't bothered to look up but I'm sure those guys never did such a stupid thing in the first place.

But I'm enjoying it as solving problems was what got me into computing in the first place (in 1968 if anyone's counting) and installing WSS has become far too routine - sit me in a meeting about that and my mouth opens and words come out without my brain being bothered over much (apart from hunting for the Finnish words for known English concepts).

Mike
5/24/2007 5:04:25 PM (FLE Daylight Time, UTC+03:00)
Yeah, sounds about right. My particular hangups were host headers in conjunction with NLB clustering (neither of which I'd handled before), and I couldn't find much help out there beyond "wow, you can use host headers!" and "SharePoint works with NLB clustering!" These highly specialized setups don't have much in the way of internet knowledge yet as it's such a young system. Now I have to deal with geographically dispersed disaster recovery between two identical (but separate) farms, and it's about to start giving me nightmares.
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